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Navigation[edit]

Is there a way to add this talk page to the navigation sidebar?--Khajidha (talk) 18:44, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

There is! Done. Jalaguy (talk) 15:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you.--Khajidha (talk) 07:14, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Style guide[edit]

So GoBots is a show where a lot of the stuff that's been written about it online has been done "by ear," with folk writing down what they think a name is spelled as. There's a lot we'll likely never know, but there are some things we should iron out now so we're all on the same page when it comes to writing this stuff up. We'll get a "wiki order" of the episodes together soon enough for that purpose, I'm sure, but the one that's jumping out at me today is - Gobotron or GoBotron? Certainly all the modern Transformers media has gone without camelCase, as have the WB DVDs, but from the sources we've been adding to the wiki today, so far all the classic media we've turned up seems to use it, including the "Escape to Planet Earth" storybook, the "GoBotron Saga" VHS cover, and the original Tonka catalogue for the first-year characters. What's anyone think? - Chris McFeely (talk) 21:55, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I'd go with GoBotron. How things were spelled or parsed in contemporary materials should take precedence. Creedence (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Agreed, GoBotron. Also, I've got just about all the model sheets, so if there are any spelling questions feel free to shoot them my way. --Jimsorenson (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I would prefer "Gobotron", but if the 80's media used "GoBotron", then so be it. I feel we must adhere to what was most official back then. --Sabrblade (talk) 23:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like "RoGun" should have a hyphen in it ("Ro-Gun"), according to the little red dot in the word on the packaging. Thoughts? Creedence (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Model Sheets / Spelling[edit]

On spelling and model sheets, how about the general from the pilot mini-series, Jim? Lindley? Lynley? Linley? - Chris McFeely (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Lindley. --Jimsorenson (talk) 12:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

How about the alien from "Renegade Alliance"? I'm thinking "Alva-Nar"... - Chris McFeely (talk) 21:20, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Alva-Mar according to the model sheet. --Jimsorenson (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
They're super-duper-definitely pronouncing "Nar" with an N in the episode itself, so I guess that was changed in production at some point. - Chris McFeely (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Wouldn't be the first time. It can, at the very least, give us a pretty strong hint as to their intentions regarding parsing. --Jimsorenson (talk) 22:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

For "Genius and Son," I'm assuming the scientist is just "Mobius," no silly spelling. Is his invention the "invertor ray" or the "invert-a-ray"? - Chris McFeely (talk) 16:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Mobius, yes. I'm afraid I don't have the ray. My guess would be Invertor. --Jimsorenson (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Model sheet doesn't give Mobius a first name, btw, does it? For "Dawn World," is there a name for the spaceship-base the Renegades are making? Scooter seems to call it the "something-star" but his dialogue is so wavering as to be nearly indecipherable. - Chris McFeely (talk) 13:58, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
No and no. They just reuse the Rogue Star models so no extra insight there. --Jimsorenson (talk) 14:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Rats. It's not identical to Roguestar, thought there might be a new model to help... - Chris McFeely (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
No, not quite, but if they bothered to make a model I don't have it. --Jimsorenson (talk) 15:34, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

There's a lot of guys in "Lost on GoBotron" that are really hard to peg. "Wrecks" and "Gorn" seem to be a given, do Wrecks's "urchins" have a proper name? There are two gladiators named, one's honestly just an slurring grunt that sounds like "Moar," while I figure the other (who Matt later fights) is "Tung the Ruthless" (I mean, I'd assume it's not literally "tongue"). There's also one later than looks like an elephant, who fights a hairy, fanged one (maybe... "Bondake"? what?) Any hope for these? - Chris McFeely (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Here's what I have: Tung. Gorn. Kal (snouty guy). Urchin. Wreck. Kalimar. And, uh, Mulla and Mullah. Two different spellings for the same guy, scarred alien with two long streaming things on his bald head. Both with the same date. Sigh. --Jimsorenson (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Hey, not too bad on the guessing front, then! If Kal is the elephant-snout guy, you don't have one for the guy he fights, I take it? Mane of hair, pointed ears, loincloth, rat's tail? - Chris McFeely (talk) 13:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Sadly no. --Jimsorenson (talk) 13:33, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps it's the guy Leader 1 greets 70.194.238.118 13:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I just realized I forgot him! - Chris McFeely (talk) 13:24, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I think what you hear as Bondake is just supposed to be a general insult like "Fangface". 107.202.57.20 03:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
That's what I figured but I can't make out a real word in it! Maybe "bark" something? - Chris McFeely (talk) 13:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Is it just "Monster GoBot", or is "Monster Renegade" ever used? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 02:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I can't recall it ever being Monster Renegade, but I wouldn't swear to that. --Jimsorenson (talk) 18:47, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Here's one, Jim - do you have a model sheet for Zeemon in vehicle mode? - Chris McFeely (talk) 23:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Nope. I'm not sure they ever actually made one though. (Unlike Loco, whose vehicle mode I'm also missing.) --Jimsorenson (talk) 01:52, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Exactly what I was thinking after digging into "Doppelganger"! - Chris McFeely (talk) 02:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I feel pretty good about "Renegade Rampage," but figured I'd just check. Tri-Ceti with a hyphen? Trindle? Tindel, perhaps? Trevor and Troylene? I haven't moved on to the second part to see if the other two elders are named, do the model sheets have any names for them? - Chris McFeely (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Let's see... We've got Trevor and Troilene, who are both Trindles. No joy on the planet. --Jimsorenson (talk) 01:23, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Jim, do your model sheets shed any light on the two apparent designs for Puzzler that I've mentioned in the notes for "Auto Madic"? Also, doubting it, but I don't suppose they have a first name for Mrs. Cocoa? - Chris McFeely (talk) 23:25, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Hilda and Larry E. Cocoa. The Puzzler model sheet has his right arm together and his left arm split, which seems to me to indicate that both are possible configurations. --Jimsorenson (talk) 00:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh nice, I didn't figure she'd have a name! - Chris McFeely (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
On the subject of first names, I doubt Doctor Cunningham from "Ancient GoBonauts" had one, did he? "Gameworld" is next on the list; have you any insight on "Crespas" and... "Ba'usa"? There's no guessing that one... - Chris McFeely (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Crespas and B'oosa. No joy on Cunningham. --Jimsorenson (talk) 00:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Ha, there was an apostrophe in it! Anything for the Gameworld itself? Colob, Kolob, Kolab...? Thinking Kolob for the Mormon reference, based on the religiously-influced naming in TF's "The Gambler" by the same author. Does the robot prisoner have a name? - Chris McFeely (talk) 16:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Nope, just the big two. --Jimsorenson (talk) 19:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
This is an off the wall one, but how about the farmer from "Nova Beam"? I doubt he has a name but just wondering if there's a more "official" term to describe him with than "farmer." - Chris McFeely (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Didn't he also show up in Wolf in the Fold? 107.202.57.20 19:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
In the sense that the model was re-used, but it's enough to create an article for him which is why I'm wondering if there's a good name for it. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
In Nova Beam, he's "farmer". In Wolf, he's alternatively "farmer", "dirt farmer", or "dirt-farmer". (There's also a nucleonic converter and a polarity inverter this episode.) --Jimsorenson (talk) 21:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

More model sheet trivia: early names!

Professor von Joy -- Professor Q.Bot

Re-Volt -- Screamer

Chaos -- Shriek

Traitor -- Buzz

--Jimsorenson (talk) 00:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

They should have stuck with those early ones for the Dread Launchers! - Chris McFeely (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I understand that BuggyMan's name was rendered as such on a model sheet?, but how was his name rendered on his toy packaging? Plus, Spatiotemporal Challengers wasn't consistent on his name. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:05, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

With the CamelCase on the toy package, as well as in Tonka catalogue entries. - Chris McFeely (talk)
Model sheet is Buggy Man. --Jimsorenson (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Getting back to work, so, for "Depth Charge," what's the correct spelling for the two native islanders? "Woki" and "Katu"? - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Correct. --Jimsorenson (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey look, I'm back on the horse! So, "The Seer" - Sean? Shawn? Shaun? Does his mum have a first name? - Chris McFeely (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Sean, Mrs. Roberts, Major Benedict. --Jimsorenson (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Noice, no need to go back and change anything! - Chris McFeely (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Roguestar or Rogue Star?[edit]

I'm confused. Does Rogue Star have a space or no space? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

It's been presented both ways. However, the original episode title "Quest for Roguestar" presented it without a space, so I take that as gospel unless a more original source turns up. --Xaaron (talk) 12:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Model sheets have a space. --Jimsorenson (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Of course they do. :( Well, my preference is to go by the first published spelling over preliminary data like model sheets, but that's just first instinct. Anybody else? --Xaaron (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
As Jim's already detailed a few instances where model sheets use alternate names to what's in the finished episodes, I'm 100% behind "Roguestar" based on its on-screen use. - Chris McFeely (talk) 13:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't necessarily suggesting the space based on the model sheet. Though I usually hear a space when Cy-Kill says the name. I'd want to listen to the other characters, though, because it might just be hammy.--Jimsorenson (talk) 01:23, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Pics from tfwiki[edit]

I assume we can simply reupload any relevant pics (say of the TF released Bug Bites) here as long as we copy over the attributions as well? --Khajidha (talk) 14:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Action Toys Machine Robo figures (and Machine Robo as a whole)[edit]

Should photos and information about the Action Toys Machine Robo figures be added to the relevant pages, even though the toys are for Machine Robo and technically not GoBots? And, in general, where does the wiki stand on Machine Robo information being included? I only ask because I couldn't find anything that said how we're going forward in that regard. Boy Blunderous (talk) 00:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Work on Machine Robo pages has barely started, but I'm under the impression that the plan is to eventually cover it in full. If that's the case, the Action Toys figures would belong on the same page as the Revenge of Cronos characters. (Which, I'm guessing, would be the same page as the original Machine Robo for all of them except Blue Jet and Rod Drill.) NovaSaber (talk) 01:04, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Renegade Rhetoric[edit]

Do we have a consensus on how to document Renegade Rhetoric on this wiki, particularly the "season 2 episodes"? I've made a few character pages with storylinks to the titles of the "episodes" instead of "Renegade Rhetoric, Mo/Da/Year". Also, do we ultimately plan to have separate "episode" pages for the new 65, keep it on a single Renegade Rhetoric page, or what? --Xaaron (talk) 15:43, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I'd say that the "Renegade Rhetoric Mo/Da/Year" would be equivalent to comic/magazine issue numbers while the "episode titles" would be the equivalent of the story titles within a magazine/comic. Make of that what you will. --Khajidha (talk) 16:44, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I'd always figured we'd give each of the new "episodes" a page for itself that we'd link to in the character write-ups. - Chris McFeely (talk) 17:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Echoes and Fragments[edit]

Will it be necessary to duplicate a page for "Echoes and Fragments" on this wiki, or will it be sufficient to just use interwiki links where necessary? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Continuity Notes[edit]

I really don't think the gray continuity notes defining each Fun Publication universe are necessary for every character's Fiction section. We pulled back from using so many on the TFwiki, and I think we should do the same here. The details of how CotG, RR, and Withered Hope continuities compare to each other can be described on their individual pages. Each character doesn't need gray notes about it. --Xaaron (talk) 21:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Von Joy and Herr Go[edit]

Do we have a consensus on whether these character pages should be made at their toy name or cartoon name? --Xaaron (talk) 16:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

It was suggested here that the Professor Baron be at just "Von Joy", and here that the Doctor Fiend be at "Doctor Go" (and Tux be at "Stretch") for how he, and Stretch, were notable enough to be at their fiction names instead of their toy names, while all others with fiction names that differ from their toy names weren't as notable to be at anything other than their toy names. --Sabrblade (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
If Go/Fiend goes at his cartoon name, should that be "Doctor Go" or "Dr. Go"? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I see more instances of "Doctor" than "Dr." on this Wiki. But maybe Jim has an official spelling from a model sheet or something. --Sabrblade (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Model sheet says Dr. Go. --Jimsorenson (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, Mr. Moto, Mister Moto, Motosan, or Moto-San? --Xaaron (talk) 19:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Toy is "Mr. Moto". That trumps the Et Tu, Cy-Kill model sheet "Motosan". --Jimsorenson (talk) 20:36, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
"Last Sunset" also went with "Mr. Moto". S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Power Suits?[edit]

How to set up Power Suits articles? Separate pages for each model? One page for all four Power Suits? One page for all eight Power Suits, or separate Guardian and Renegade Power Suit pages? Courageous and Power Suits on one page or separate ones? Other questions I've forgotten? --Xaaron (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Without thinking too deeply about it, I'd already imagined one page for Power Suits, to talk about their individual powers and include fictional write-ups that that didn't involve forming Courageous in the cartoon, another page for Power Warriors, and then individual pages for Courgeous (the ship and the combiner together), Grungy, and Nemesis. - Chris McFeely (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

"The Long Game"[edit]

The Long Game is a "Dreamwave comics" story from the Quadwal universe where GoBots surpassed Transformers. It takes place between the two five-part episode sagas in the original cartoon, explaining how Cy-Kill wound up imprisoned between The Final Conflict and Cy-Kill's Escape. On TFwiki, I imagine we'd make a separate header in the Fiction sections for a Dreamwave short story retcon like this, a la Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?. Given the more streamlined presentation we're going for on GBwiki, though, I think we should just leave it under the Renegade Rhetoric header where applicable, with or without a Note explaining. Thoughts? --Xaaron (talk) 13:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Rock Lords?[edit]

So are we going to make character pages for them? --Darth Gonzo (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Feel free. --Xaaron (talk) 15:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)